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bishoplowe
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Recovering a lost Heli

Post by bishoplowe » 23 Oct 2014 03:40

I just recently started using the program and quite often lose sight of my Heli.

What are the techniques (if any) that can be used to recover or return a Heli when it has gotten so far you cannot tell its orientation?
Does anybody have any suggestions?

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Re: Recovering a lost Heli

Post by ThomasC » 24 Oct 2014 17:49

Good idea to train this. Heli-X can be programmed to display the Helicopter zoomed in a small window, but this is of no use in case you have to recover a real model. Try to use cyclic controls and see where the small black point on the horizon moves, then guess the orientation and fly back. It's simply a matter of training. More than once this saved me a 150 size helicopter from vanishing in the forest ;)

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Re: Recovering a lost Heli

Post by bishoplowe » 24 Oct 2014 21:52

I was hoping there was some special tips to do this. So far, all I have been doing is guessing. That dot is often lost somewhere out there and I haven't learned anything except I think I luck up and get it back. I don't want that to happen when I have a real one. But I will keep practicing.

Thanks for the encouragement.

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Re: Recovering a lost Heli

Post by JS1 » 27 Oct 2014 15:20

Train to not let it get that far that you can not identify orientation anymore. I found this was best achieved when starting out with a big 700 size heli and high visibility canopy & tail (such as Goblins, Mostro, Ecureuil, Logo 600 Hughes 500 etc.). Try to get controlled movements in any direction to always quickly return to you before losing sight. You can then go on to smaller helis as you progress - they are not only smaller and harder to spot, but also more sensitive. With practice you will also get a better anticipation of the heli.

Alternatively you can zoom in more, which obviously doesn't really solve the problem but helps a bit.

Also chosing an airfield with good contrast background to your heli (or fly high enough against the sky) could help. Check to use highest possible map resolution (upper right in airfield selection).

As it was said before, you need to master that for real flying too. Maintain control of your heli to keep it close enough. Be aware of background and orientation.
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Re: Recovering a lost Heli

Post by bishoplowe » 27 Oct 2014 17:04

Thanks JSI

Thank you for your comments. I do believe these are good preventative techniques and I will adhere to them. However, my concern is in those situations when I do lose it on the simulator. What do I need to do to recover if this were to happen in actuality. My fears are that this could be very expensive.

Additionally, as a result of my concerns, I found this link to be of interest. I have as of yet to take considerable time to evaluate it to see if it will work. Perhaps, this might be a possible solution. If you have any comments I would certainly appreciate them.

http://youtu.be/gdoV_Xhk-7s

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Re: Recovering a lost Heli

Post by JS1 » 28 Oct 2014 12:00

Well a Phantom (or similar FC multicopter) is much easier to recover than a heli:
1. Phantom is attitude stabilized, meaning it will go into hover when let go of the sticks. A heli will almost certainly crash .
2. Phantom in reality has return-to-home by GPS function. Alternatively you could engage home-lock IOC and pull back on the cyclic.

Need to watch the video though, maybe that method is applicable for helis too...
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Re: Recovering a lost Heli

Post by ThomasC » 28 Oct 2014 22:41

@JS1: it is. Explains the method I already mentionned before - and after a while, it works. Gives you a great adrenaline rush in reality I can confirm ;D

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Re: Recovering a lost Heli

Post by Love the Lama » 02 Dec 2014 23:19

this is an interesting problem that could be inadvertently fostered by a simulator. for skill transferability, of course always fly VLOS.

in norther america very recently, commercial UAV applications and recreational model pilots will have to conform to new FAA or Transport Canada rules. for those interested, there are now different "permission-to-fly" standards for TOW <=2kg; 2.1<TOW<25; TOW>25kg; and whether it is for commercial or recreational purposes. good information presented here:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... c_id=hruzf

and

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regse ... n/2879.htm

i also note that for helicopters "which will certainly crash" there are GPS stabilization products integrated into the rx/CVGyro (f.ex. the NAZA-H) .. but of course this is getting outside of the heli-x domain.

happy and safe flying , everyone.
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